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Andrea Crisp 0:00
I used to think that manifestation was such a woo woo concept that only certain people did. But the truth was, I had no idea what it entailed, or how it could transform my life. In this conversation with a mindset and manifestation coach, Jessica Jovanovich, we chat about how to become an energetic match for what you truly desire and what it takes to create what you want in your life in business.
Kate 0:26
You're listening to the Couragecast, a show to equip and empower women to live bravely. Each week we'll share coaching conversations and stories of women who are willing to face their fear and pursue their purpose. Here's your host, life coach, author and your secret weapon.
Andrea Crisp 0:43
Hello there welcome to the courage cast. My name is Andrea Crisp, I am your host. I am thrilled to be back with another episode of The Courage Creator series. And I am really excited to talk to you today about manifestation. Because it is a topic that long eluded me, and when I started to understand it, it's almost like everything became so much clearer. I had so many preconceived ideas about what manifestation looks like, and how weird and woowoo it was. And meeting Jessica, who is our guest today, Jessica, Giovanna Vich, meeting her and really starting to learn from her has cleared up so many misconceptions that I had about manifestation. And I know that today, as you listen through our conversation, it is going to do the same for you consider this basically like your manifestation one on one, because we are going to talk about how you can start manifesting like a boss. And you can become a energetic match in your life and in your business for what you truly want instead of not being an energetic match for those things. And I think that sometimes we think that you know, I just write it down on a piece of paper, hope for the best and you know, poof, it happens. But that's not exactly how manifestation works. Jessica is going to clear all of that up for us, you're in for a really exciting episode. But before we dive in, I would be remiss to not talk to you about the Confidence Accelerator, which is beginning on October 18.
We are in launch mode. And let me tell you, friends, I love this program, we have launched two cohorts, and we are just about to launch the third. And I would love to invite you to become a part of this coaching program. This is for entrepreneurs, coaches, multi passionate creatives who are ready to take a step out of the shadows and into the light, truly into your own personal power. Because here's the thing, when we are making excuses or hiding from the things that we truly want to be doing. It is because we are believing in old story, and old narrative. And it's time to shift and change that narrative so that you can give yourself the permission to start doing what it is that you truly know you want to be doing with your life and with your business.
And so if you are interested in finding out more about the Confidence Accelerator, or you want to jump on a call with me and talk to me about that, or you're just like yeah, sign me up. I want you to make sure you go to the link in the show notes. You can find it anywhere that you can get the shownotes here on the Couragecast as well as on Instagram, my website Andrea Crisp.ca. And I want you to either just get yourself in there or book a call with me and let's chat and see if this is the right fit for you. We're starting on October 18. There are limited spots and so you want to make sure that you grab one right away. And I love to see you inside of the Confidence Accelerator. But now it's time for literally one of my favorite conversations. And one of my favorite people Jessica janowicz talking about manifestation Here we go.
Hello, welcome back to another of the Courage Creator series. I am super super excited because today I'm going to be talking to Jessica Jovanovich I hope I'm saying that right? And she is Oh there she is. Hey, Jessica, just request to be on and you're gonna be jumping here on live. I seriously love doing these lives. I love it. I wait for her to come on. Are you there, Jessica? Oh!
Jessica Jovanovich 4:48
Hello? Yes, you said it right.
Andrea Crisp 4:51
Did I? Okay, good.
Jessica Jovanovich 4:52
Yes. Which that's I mean, it's a tricky last name. You did great.
Andrea Crisp 4:56
Thank you. Well, you know, it's surprising that people get Crisp wrong all the time. So you think you're like, this is like the easiest last name ever, but the amount of times people actually get it wrong is quite surprising.
Jessica Jovanovich 5:10
What do they say?
Andrea Crisp 5:12
Well, they say Crist. They say Crips. They spell it wrong. They asked me how to spell it. I'm like, Oh, yeah, Mike, it's really it's more simple than you think.
Jessica Jovanovich 5:23
That's amazing. entertaining.
Andrea Crisp 5:27
Exactly, exactly. So I'm really excited. I've been really actually pretty jazzed to have you on Instagram Live. And for those people who are jumping on here, this is actually part of the podcast series, which is called Courage Creators on the podcast that I host called the Couragecast. So in a few weeks, we're actually going to take this live. And it's going to be posted to the podcast, along with just a little bit more because I just kind of spruce it up. And then we have the i g live and we have the podcast. So if you want to hear Jessica again, then you have the option to actually download it and hear her on the podcast. So I'm excited. Oh, that's so exciting. All the things, all the things now. When I first met you, you like blew me away. We had one conversation and I was like, talking to you about manifestation. And I told you at the time that I'm a baby manifester. Yes, yes. before we're gonna talk about manifestation, basically, like, how do you manifest what does that really even look like? And for all the newbies because there's probably lots of people who are newbies that are trying to like, I have no idea how to actually do this in my life. But before we do that, I'd love for you to tell us who you are, and so people can get to know you a little bit better.
Jessica Jovanovich 6:52
Awesome. Well, thanks for having me here. This is so fun. I loved that conversation because baby manifester, like you're in good company. And that's how I was when I first learned about this not too long ago. But I am a coach a mindset and manifestation coach for women entrepreneurs who are really driven and looking to move from that hustling grind into aligned action. So I really specialize in helping you get the results without all the negative costs that come along with the hustling grind. And and that came just you know, from my firsthand experience, and so I love that now we have this new way of still reaching our goals and creating what we want.
Andrea Crisp 7:30
Okay, so that made me curious right off the bat. Your first hand experience, so like, What got you into learning about this because obviously if something happened, you were wanting to shift that so what was happening that made you decide to shift that?
Jessica Jovanovich 7:45
Well, you know, with when I look at my life, manifestation isn't something that I grew up with, I didn't even know the word. But this part of creating a big life or dreaming big always was. And so I think we relate to each other on that and probably people listening like as a kid, I had this determination, it was like, oh, get the straight A's, I will do the extra credit, you need a leader, sign me up! And I always was kind of wanting to check the list of the goal and set the new goal but more and more on my plate. And it was in this gogogo mentality. But the problem was within that I wasn't trusting myself, I was trusting if anything, the hustle and the grind, like this will create everything, it'll make it so it all works out. And so I was creating or I was accomplishing a lot, but it brought me to a lot of difficulty, and in fact the moment that I always go back to is this this moment in time where it was what I referred to now as the most painful time in my life where it seemed like everything had gone awry, despite all of the accomplishments and I was chatting with someone and sharing a little bit of my experience and I remember it so vividly. She tilted her head like looked in at me and said, Wow, Jess, you sure lived a lot of life in a few short years.
And that really hit me that Yeah, actually I have lived a lot of years. But this was the next thought. And it's time to take back my power so I can live a lot more and it created this like incredible turning point where I was no longer going to operate from this place of just sheer willpower and default. I shifted into intentionally designing my life and paying attention to how I was feeling and the feeling behind the action I was taking and this changed everything so as I was leaning more and more into that then as I stumbled upon podcasts and books and heard people talking about this weird manifestation thing, I realized that wasn't quite so weird. It was just putting language to what I was experiencing firsthand. And because it was such a strong contrast this old way of operating to this like internal inner driven place and still getting results but it felt better. I couldn't shut up about it. I thought it transformed my life in my business and so then I had women reaching out to me like how did you do that can can you help me and that created this opportunity to coach people and I feel so passionate about it because of the drastic before and after that I experienced.
Andrea Crisp 10:01
You know, it's interesting because I think someone told me this not long ago. But even when I said, you know, I'm just learning about manifestation they're like, what you don't realize is that you are already manifesting. So you just may be manifesting the wrong things. But you are always in a place of manifestation. And that was something when I learned that I was like, oh, wow, then I really do need to be intentional about what I want. Because that will yield the result I want, because I'm maybe yielding the result that I don't want based on fear, or based on, you know, this is my old story. So I'm constantly thinking about it, I'm attaching to it. And now realizing, oh, if there's something I truly desire, I have to learn how to be in that energy. Which, you know, coming from a evangelical Christian background, and I know you have your own spiritual background that you came from, was like, really strange to me, because I'm like, I don't get this. This is the language I don't get. So let's like totally dumb it down. And let's talk about like, the basics of manifesting. And how do people actually manifest?
Jessica Jovanovich 11:17
Yeah, okay. So that's such a good point, because people will maybe hear about it, and they're like, Oh, I tried, that doesn't work. And that's the cool thing to realize we're always creating. So even when I was in that hustle in that grind, I was still manifesting, but I wasn't aware that I was. So when we learned the rules to the game, it's a lot more exciting, because then we can win. And we can get results. And so if we really dumb it down, all manifesting is, is it says that the energy you show up in is what you're going to get back. So to your point where Oh, if I, I might be manifesting something from a place of fear, yeah, if you're in fear and lack energy, you're going to continue to draw to you experiences that are full of fear and lack. And that's one of the tricky things about manifesting is people think, Oh, I thought positive thoughts. I had, you know, I was meditating, or I was writing in my gratitude journal, and it didn't work for me. But it's not about the action. It's the undercurrent underneath it. And so manifesting as tuning into how you're feeling and realizing how you're feeling the vibe that you're at, is creating what you will experience. Next, it's determining what you're a magnet for. And so that makes it so it's way less mysterious, you just tune in, oh, how do I feel? And you can sense Okay, what are you an energetic match for? Are your goals, is your vision, like a vibe that you would say is up here, but your vibe, and down here, you can see that you're not on the same channel, you got to tune in, so you can be a magnet for that?
Andrea Crisp 12:37
Okay, so let's just go with this lack energy, because I know that before, I've asked people and like, Okay, well, if I don't want to be in like energy, like, how do I not be? How do I, you know, do people ask you like that kind of question like, because I know, that's a very simple question, but it's like, okay, so obviously don't want to do that. But how do i do the other?
Jessica Jovanovich 12:59
Yeah. Okay. So for sure. This is such a popular question. And can I add on to that? Yeah, a way that people are in lack energy, even without noticing it, is within setting goals or setting intentions. And so you can check in with yourself, is there a goal that you've set for yourself? Let's say let's use money, for example, because that's something people can it's a great example, I want to make X amount of dollars, or I want to have more money. So you determine that's what you want. Now, are you connected to the energy of having that even though it hasn't shown up yet? Are you in this abundant, believable place? like okay, that's coming coming for me that's happening? I'm, I'm willing to do my part and taking this step forward? Are you in the lack of it? And so often, people are like, Oh, I just want it more they like grit their teeth, and like, hold on so tight, like I want it so bad.
What's the energy behind that? It's the lack of what is wanted, it's the lack of having it. So the energy is, even though you're like, No, I said, I've wanted this, I have my eyes on what I want. The momentum you're creating is lack of that lack of that lack of that. So then when you realize that and it's kind of like, Oh, great. It's it's awesome information. Because you can realize, oh, maybe that's why the thing that has been on my vision board isn't happening, or this thing I've wanted for so long. But then how do you shift from that lack, you get to realize that you can live in any energy you want, regardless of external circumstances, break up with the need to continually live contingent upon external reality, that's a brutal way to live. And it's a choice and we don't have to do it anymore. And when we realize it's a choice, and we don't have to do any more, you can start leaning into the new feeling. So it's as simple as if you realize you're in lack of it, you can close your eyes or soften your gaze hand on heart, head on solar plexus, and just kind of feel into that version of yourself that you can sense when you're going to have what you're looking for. Like let's say it's that amount of money and you can sense that abundance, that freedom, those good feelings, nothing changed externally. Nothing, no circumstance change, but you changed your vibration and that's how you can simply shift from that lack to something different.
Andrea Crisp 15:03
Okay, so I'm going to change just the scenario bet. Because maybe this will make sense to a lot of people, because this is kind of what I had to try and figure out, I have a girlfriend, who is like, the best flirter in the world, okay, she walks into any room, and she will flirt with any person in the room, like she's got like this amazing energy. And you might go into a bar with her, and guys are going to be literally like talking to her, she's the one that you know, is going to be asked to, you know, dance or whatever. And all these other girls are the hanging out being like, what the heck, because she walks in with this energy. And so often, so many women will walk in with a desperate energy, like, I just want to get a guy or I just want to, you know, have a hookup or whatever. It was really terrible example. But
Jessica Jovanovich 16:01
I think people like this, this is different.
Andrea Crisp 16:04
People can relate to it. Because it's like, I when I started to understand like this showing up in energy, I'm like, oh, if I show up in this energy, where I'm like, confident in who I am, that I could literally walk into a bar and like flirt with any guy wanted to because I just happy to be myself, I'm happy to be here. I just naturally believe that I will attract someone into my life. But if I go into the bar with desperate energy, then I'm going to be putting that out, which is the same, right as the lack with money. Because it's like, it's like, you're saying, what energy are you in? And I think that's where a lot of people can get, they get stopped. Because like, I don't understand, like, what do you mean by what energy? Like? Can you talk about like that? I know that that's maybe a barrier for some people? Because they don't get what do you mean the energy?
Jessica Jovanovich 16:58
Yeah, and it seems mysterious? And it seems you know, but it's really about how you feel so with your example, we could break that down the desperation? What's that rooted in? That's a scarcity. And and you can start understanding these categories. Is it scarce? Is it abundant? Is it from fear? Is it from love? Is it this upstream battle, or this downstream flow. So when you get out of the super specifics, and you just look at those categories, you can start to see like, Oh, this feels like a struggle. This feels like a flow. And so with this one, if you've got this desperate energy, it's a scarcity feeling. It's this not enoughness, whatever the feeling, is, that's what you're going to create more of. And so if you use the example of the gal walking in flirting, and everybody reacts to her, she has locked in a belief of like, Oh, yeah, this happens. Of course, I get these relationships happen easily, I can talk to anybody I want. It's really also if you don't know the energy, you can tap into what what's your belief? What are the thoughts going around in your head all the time, and you can see are those rooted in this scarcity or the abundance, the love or the fear the upstream or downstream, and that helps you start to become more present to what I would say is the energy, the vibration, it starts with, like, feelings when you're slowing down and understanding the thoughts that you have kind of on autoplay, that you can pause and kind of see, oh, even though I'm saying I'm wanting this appear, my thoughts are not a match for that my thoughts are reinforcing what I'm seeing again and again.
Andrea Crisp 18:25
So what is this like, upstream downstream thing? Like, what's that?
Jessica Jovanovich 18:29
So upstream, downstream, so think of the feeling of it, like if you're like paddling upstream, that's a struggle, versus if you're flowing downstream.
Andrea Crisp 18:39
Okay, got it. Of course. Yeah!
Jessica Jovanovich 18:40
I feel like when we've got that part locked in, we can we can check any part of our life. Like any part, if you're driving and you're in traffic and you're frustrated, you can say, am I swimming upstream? Or am I flowing downstream, and it helps us kind of shift back into this place of alignment? Because downstream flow would be an indication that you're in alignment, and therefore being an energetic match for what you desire.
Andrea Crisp 19:05
Okay, that makes a lot of sense. Because like, I, I go kayaking often And so yeah, like when when the waves are coming at me, and I'm like, going against what the the flow is, I'm paddling harder. And I know it takes me longer to get where I need to go. And it's like arduous and I don't really enjoy it. On the days that I show up in the morning, and the lake is nice, calm and serene. And it's like, Oh, this is so easy. It's like, I just I love it. It's like a totally different ride. When I'm doing it at different times of the day, when I'm, you know, when the lake is really, really calm. And I find that even if I'm kayaking, and I'm going against the flow, I'm getting more worked up to. So the harder I'm working, the more worked up I'm getting about it and from straited and then just compounds. So it's kind of like if you're in the flow, and you're doing it aligned, then that's when the when things can start working for you is that it's,
Jessica Jovanovich 20:13
yeah, it's like, you've probably heard the expression of getting out of your own way, you can see when you're not in this resistance, you're not trying to swim upstream, you're allowing and receiving like the downstream flow, that's when you're out of your way, you're not getting all worked up and flustered. But really, it comes to momentum, it comes to wherever your attention is, however you're showing up, it's going to build momentum in that same place. So if it's upstream, then yes, to your point, it's like, I'm frustrated, then I'm getting more worked up, and then what else happens and then like, that's when, you know, have you had a day where like, all these bad things are happening, and then you stub your toe, and then you lose your keys. And then like, it's, that only happens when you're already frustrated, you know, you stub your toe when the day is already been bad. But if you can see the momentum that's been created, what you're an energetic match for. And so it's so fun to remember that no matter how worked up we are, we can choose to shift back into weight. Life doesn't have to be like this anymore. I can choose to allow it to be downstream, I can stop trying to fight the current I can flow. And that creates momentum in that regard, and allows like the universe to show up in these new ways where you'll look around, and you'll think like, What magic unfolds, when really, it's just we are creating momentum in this new direction.
Andrea Crisp 21:26
Very interesting. So like, I want to ask you a question about energetic match, because I do hear that often. And they're like, Are you an energetic match? Can I become an energetic match for something? If I'm not? Am I just it? I it is, or it isn't?
Jessica Jovanovich 21:43
Yeah, so you're not doomed. No one's doomed, you can become an energetic match for anything. It doesn't even matter if you've had yours in another place. Like I had years and years and years of momentum built up in a belief of like hustle and grind and sweat it out and work hard and struggle and sacrifice. And that's was my belief in order to reach those goals. But until I was an energetic match for more struggle, more sacrifice, more grind, more hustle before I could have the thing I wanted. So you can change in an instant. That's what I love about energy. And we're powerful creators, you can choose to change at any time, and shift into becoming an energetic match for something else. Having said that, people will be like, well, I shifted and nothing happened. Remember, you've had some momentum you've created over here. So like, let that die down and practice shifting into the new way. That's the hard part. I'll see people quit too soon. And then there'll be like, oh, it doesn't work. It doesn't? Well, it does. You're just manifesting from this energetic place. But anytime you've been able to create something that you intentionally wanted in your life that you had your eye on, like you had created momentum energetically along with the action you're taking to get to that place. So you can pivot pivot, pivot, shift, shift shift a million times over.
Andrea Crisp 22:57
And that, like, I've heard that in relationships, I'm going right back to relationships. I'm not sure why. But anyways, apparently it's on my mind. But I've had people say, Well, you are not you, you too, are not an energetic match. And, and I'm like, okay, but then sometimes that's good. Like, sometimes you don't want to be an energetic match to that person, because their energy is not where you want to be. And so it can work both ways, right? Like you can be an energetic match of low energy to something as easily as an energetic match in a more positive way. Is that right? Does that make sense?
Jessica Jovanovich 23:35
Yeah, absolutely. Anything that you're experiencing in your life right now is because you're an energetic match for it. And with relationships, I like to bring it back to like, I stay in my own lane, you stay in your own lane. So we're not really reaching across and saying, Oh, I'm not an energetic match for you necessarily, but like, especially if someone's wanting to create a relationship. So I was definitely at that place in my life before I met my husband. And the cool thing about manifesting is I could be tuned into energetically the relationship I want to have, but I got to cultivate that in and of myself. First, you don't wait till someone comes and you're like, oh, you're the complete match, you know, you get to live in the feeling of it now. And then that makes you an energetic match for the relationship versus we can sometimes get stuck if we get fixated on someone else or someone else's behavior or how someone else is showing up that outsources our power.
Andrea Crisp 24:28
Okay, I'm gonna have to listen back to that and like really digest that because I think that hugely important more questions for you later. And so you know, there's so many people who are creatives or entrepreneurs or multi passionate people that you know, follow me listen to the Couragecast, and they're probably trying to even figure out okay, well how do I just even start this manifestation journey? Like how do I start implementing this in my life? What would you say is kind of like their first steps in really getting an understanding of how this works for themselves and start to do it.
Jessica Jovanovich 25:08
Awesome. Yes. Okay. So I think first and foremost, being willing to pay attention to how you feel and give that credit. And this isn't like passing emotion or I watch a sad movie. In some crime. This is like, What? What are you feeling beneath what you want to create in your business or in your life. And when we start there, it helps us decipher what is there, because it's a should, because it's for someone else, because it's what we were supposed to do. And get some awareness on that. And then establish truly what you want, and give yourself permission to want whatever you want. Then from there, I mean, there's some steps in manifesting. But I feel like from there, it starts to illuminate some limits that people have. And so you get to say, you get to ask yourself, this belief, I've had this thing I've been saying that's holding me back, you get a question that, is that even true? Is it true without a shadow of a doubt? Well, no, it's not, it's not going to be the 100% and all truth. And so you can begin to tell a new story. And that will clear up some of these things that have been keeping you in this holding pattern of I want this, but I can't have it, I want this, but I can't have it, it'll help you move into, this is what I want. And it is for me, and then you get to show up being that version of yourself. Now, energetically, that is congruent with what you desire.
Andrea Crisp 26:24
So it's like doing some of the work first, the mindset work, shifting those old stories are the you know what you believe to be true? And then when you are able to be in that space and believe that to be, you know, possible for yourself, then you can hold the space for that. Is that kind of how your diet saved? Absolutely. Okay. Okay. Because I get some Yes, definitely. When I'm talking even to my clients, and it's like, it's like, what comes the cart before the horse, right? But I think it's like, okay, you have to sometimes really heal in some of those areas. So that you can believe for the things you desire. Because it's like, you can't just all of a sudden jump to manifestation be like, Oh, I'm gonna be in the right, you know, because there are things that are rooted in us that we have to be able to heal from is that do what? What do you What's your take on that?
Jessica Jovanovich 27:20
Yeah, so one, one word of caution is we don't have to make it complicated. We don't have to make it difficult. That can be the old thought process. But exactly what you said where the energy we show up in is going to be determined based on the thoughts we're thinking the thoughts, we're thinking, create our beliefs, a belief is just a thought, we've thought a whole bunch of times, but the thoughts were thinking creator belief, which then determines what is possible for us, because it will cap us within what we will allow to be drawn to us. So that's why there is power in looking at if there is a belief that has been holding you from what you desire, cleaning that up healing, that, getting rid of that writing a new story, telling a new story, believing something new that will allow you to be vibing with what you actually want, because you'll have your belief around it like yes, this is for me.
Andrea Crisp 28:09
Yes. Okay. I 100% love that. Because that is the journey that I was on over the past couple years was really creating a new story for myself. And I think I met you at the perfect moment, because I was learning about manifestation and learning how to really get in alignment with my business and what I wanted for my business and how I wanted to be in my business. And so I know that even just having conversations with you, has really shifted me. So that's why I want to I wanted to bring you on because I know that you know, there may be so many entrepreneurs or creatives out there that are like, I need to figure out how to be in alignment with my business or how to you know, Jessica is your girl, she is the person you need to talk with hire as a coach, because you have been instrumental in helping me to really shift that. So I definitely want to endorse you highly to people. If this is something you're feeling like yeah, I've worked on the mindset. Now I'm ready to like, take that piece and accelerate it in this way. How can people how can people contact you?
Jessica Jovanovich 29:21
Well that is so nice to say!
Andrea Crisp 29:24
No, I hey, and go hire this lady.
Jessica Jovanovich 29:30
Thank you so much. So I would love to chat with any of you guys just find me on the Instagrams. I'm jessica.jovanovich on Instagram so come over there DM me, we can chat and see what next steps make sense for you. But I loved what you said Andrea, like this is oftentimes the missing component. And I love when people realize, like, oh, there's something missing and this just kind of connects the dots and it feels it like resonates it lands like oh, this is what's been missing. And it's it really does transform experience when we can tap into this and start intentionally creating the life and the business of our dreams without those limits without the sabotage that comes in when we don't know the rules to the game.
Andrea Crisp 30:12
And I'll tell you, just even knowing how to put some of these things into practice has been so transformational for me because it's like, I love my business again. Because I love who I get to be in it. And I love that it's I'm not making it over complicated, and trying to be all the things that I don't need to be. And so thank you for sharing your wisdom with me personally, but also sharing your wisdom to people that are watching this today and also listening on the Couragecast. And thank you for being a guest. I appreciate it. So, so lovely to have you here.
Jessica Jovanovich 30:49
You are welcome. The pleasure is all mine.
Andrea Crisp 30:51
Okay. I love that conversation. I love learning from Jessica, this is literally one of my favorite topics right now. And for a really long time I stay clear of it because I came out of a church background where talking about this kind of stuff was a little bit taboo. And maybe that's where you've been at or maybe you're in the church now and this is seems like a whole big thing for you. And, friend, if that's you, I just want you to take a deep breath and know that it's okay just to be curious. I'd love to chat with you about it. I love you know, to have a conversation with you about manifestation or if you're super manifester, and you want to teach me more things, then feel free to jump in my dams as well. But I really want to thank Jessica for just being so gracious with her wisdom and her knowledge and for really showing us what it is truly to become an energetic match for what it is that we truly desire. And friends. I also just want to remind you that if you are interested in finding out more about the Confidence Accelerator which launches October 18, it is right around the corner I love to have you take part, make sure you jump onto the website andreacrisp.ca. to find out more information, or even to schedule a call with me and talk to me about whether or not this is the right fit for you. Until next time, remember you have everything you need to live bravely.
Kate 32:20
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